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Call of Duty: Warzone has now banned over 500,000 cheaters

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u/LesClaypoolOnBass24 avatar

If you cheat to win an online competitive video game you are a bonafide fucking loser. That's all I got to deter cheaters. That's crazy there are 500k cheaters. I thought only a a few million people usually play Warzone anymore anyway

u/WayneKrane avatar

I never got the lure of cheating. That would take all of the fun out of it for me. Winning because some program on your computer aims for you sounds like a snooze fest.

u/Nexus_of_Fate87 avatar

Why is there always someone making this comment like they're unfamiliar with reality? It's simple: Power fantasy. Bonus points for it being against real people. Even more bonus points if you're someone who gets off on rage baiting people.

I don't like cheaters, and have no interest in doing it myself in multiplayer situations, but it's disingenuous to play the holier-than-thou "I just don't understand" trope and pretend it's not obvious why they do it, and why they will forever keep on doing it.

Lol seriously. Did no one ever play Goldeneye with cheats on?

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It’s not about the playing or winning to them. It’s about the perception of others about them. For most of us, we don’t seriously care about the opinions of others about our success in a video game. But I guess for others, that’s all they have.

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Literally the most addictive part of the game for me is working hard, striving to get better and seeing and feeling improvements!

Wouldn’t be worth playing otherwise.

Its like dude just go play the campaign...

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u/mrthewhite avatar

How many of them were actually unique users and how many stayed away?

Not much good to ban 500k users if it the same few thousands over and over and they're still playing today.

u/coldblade2000 avatar

How many of them were actually unique users and how many stayed away?

I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect a real answer for this number without Activision enacting super draconian identification.

Do they just ban the account or also the game key, forcing them to rebuy the game?

NVM... It's f2p... So the bans are kind of useless

They usually do a temporary shadow ban first then move on to permanban, then theyll step up to shadow ban hardware temporarily. My old roommate used hacks for a bit.

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Why temporarily?

u/Kyhron avatar

Because many of these cheaters will sell their hardware when it gets banned for something clean

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u/Espumma avatar

Instead of a shadowban they should out all the cheaters in the same matchmaking league.

This is what the shadowban does.

Yea they do that

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You need a mobile number to play, which is a pretty big deterrent to your average cheater.

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u/bronet avatar

Still a hassle and something most won't know about

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u/Rayuzx avatar

I would imagine the bans would also come with improved an anti-cheat system.

You would imagine that would be the case. It would not, though.

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Unless you're doing the one doing the hacking, anti-cheat is one of those thing when you only really notice it's not working.

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u/bronet avatar

Bans are absolutely not useless. Expecting even half of the banned players to continue cheating after losing their entire account is probably dumb

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If you'll remember the response to Valorant's anti-cheat then I think we'll agree that Redditors actually don't know what they want.

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u/ShwayNorris avatar

Not just compromised, compromised at the kernel. Ridiculous for an anti-cheat.

u/XDThat1GuyXD avatar

A lot of modern Anticheats used today operate at the kernal level: BattlEye, Easy Anti-Cheat, etc...

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u/Sugioh avatar

I know this isn't the fun cynical answer, but have you considered it isn't the same people making those comments? For all the jokes about it, reddit is far from a hive mind.

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And if botting on Call of Duty is as bad as it was on World of Warcraft, they probably have dozens of accounts and ActiBlizz probably won't do much to curb it.

I think it's pretty unreasonable to expect a real answer for this number without Activision enacting super draconian identification.

banning specific MAC adresses wouldn't be super draconian though, and that would be a proper step in the right direction. Ofc they're not doing that, but still.

It would also be totally useless. It's really easy to just spoof your MAC address.

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All they gotta do is start banning hardware/ip addresses instead of throw away accounts.

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Every single time the power goes out in my city or my ISP resets their servers, my public IP changes. IP banning is an archaic practice that screws over a lot of people, and it doesn't even work well in many situations. There's a lot of student campuses that share 1 IP for hundreds of students. Will you ban hundreds of paying customers because one of them cheated?

Also hardware bans are easy to circumvent if you're already willing to cheat, but are horrible for the used console market. You will once again screw over potential innocent paying customers instead of the cheaters, who can skirt those restrictions with ease.

Warzone already requires you to link your account to a phone number, at least on PC. Even though this still isn't foolproof, it likely won't affect innocent players except for the small minority that doesn't have a phone or possibility of borrowing someone's phone.

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The modem doesn't have anything to do with the IP anyway AFAIK. The IP is assigned by the ISP directly

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ip banning is utterly pointless

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Fortnite does a good job though

u/J0rdian avatar

Just because you can bypass a hardware ban doesn't mean hardware bans are useless. Every hoop you make cheaters jump pass will reduce the amount of cheaters overall. Even if it got rid of like 10% of those cheaters that would be a very large amount.

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u/nio151 avatar

Those bans aren't very effective these days

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I'm glad you've figured out the secret. If only these developers knew this!

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The larger this number grows, the more obvious it becomes that it's just a failure of being able to stop hacks in the first place.

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You can seriously mitigate it though.

u/AntibacHeartattack avatar

This. In no other game than Warzone do I expect to meet and die to cheaters every time I log on. Games like Apex Legends and R6: Siege keep it in check at least.

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Apex Legends

I feel like your messing with us.

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u/Honor_Bound avatar

I’ve seen more cheaters in apex than any other online game I’ve played in the last few years. But then again I haven’t played CoD

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u/beefcat_ avatar

I honestly can’t remember the last time I saw an obvious cheater in Overwatch. It was a big problem earlier in the games life.

Smurfs are still an issue, lots of them pop up whenever there’s a sale. But actual cheating seems rare.

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And APB Reloaded

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u/Tucking-Sits avatar

You can’t actually stop hackers, though. You just make it so overwhelmingly inconvenient that most would be hackers don’t do it.

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Literally no one intends to 100% stop cheaters, that's not the purpose because such a mission would be impossible lol. It's always been about just reducing the amount of cheaters.

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Free 2 Play. They were all back in 5 minutes after setting up a new email.

Is the ban not IPbased or hardware based?

IP bans don't do much, because most people can just change IPs in a matter of minutes.

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HWID bans can also be worked around

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u/Gamerbrozer avatar

I can’t believe people find cheating in a BR game desirable to the point where they’d be willing to create a new account... so sad

u/scottishdrunkard avatar

Hell, the person I live with had their account hacked, and some prick called GoldenGoblin or something likely used this persons account to cheat, and likely getting them banned.

And recovering the account is extremely roundabout and elaborate, requiring you to make another account, and using a non-functioning system to link it to your PSN account, and then never having an open support chat viable for our timezone.

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This won't help for Warzone since the whole game mode relies on matchmaking, but I wish COD and Battlefield would bring back community run servers. At least then you could have player moderators police their own servers. It also lets community groups build

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I wish I could find the video. But years ago someone used a cheating tool to show how many cheaters were active in the Battlefield 3 public lobbies. It was about 10% and only the ones who were blatant and WAY too greedy got banned. It was enough for me to stop playing shooters. I remember the guy showing an aimbot setting where you could set the accuracy so it looked more like an aim assist and the people playing weren't even noticing the cheaters. Just "great" players.

I fucking hate them with a passion, I can't switch the idea of cheaters off anymore.

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It's been bad for a long time, but Battlefield V was the worst IMO. On PC I would see the same hackers blatantly aimbotting with the MG42, just spraying into the air from spawn and killing entire teams. They got away with this for months, DICE didn't do anything about it at all. Unfortunately we as players no longer have proper tools to deal with it and the developers/publishers aren't investing enough to stop it either. Even worse is that a lot of people are in denial about it too.

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It's just so frustrating, I suck at shooters, Battlefield was the only game where I could have a lot of fun while sucking. And even that they took from me. The cheater frustration is just not worth it anymore.

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u/wildcarde815 avatar

Hey at least they have to cheat now, back in the bf2 era the LMG could fire across the map more accurately than a sniper rifle. Get setup on a perch way out in the middle of nowhere, peak for a second and :dead:

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u/BootyJibbler avatar

BFV has no actual decent anti cheat behind it either. That game was completely abandoned by EA day 1

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That would require DICE to actually support one of their games post-launch. They did, once upon a time, but it was less and less with each new title.

Plus to be fair Battlefield 5 sold like shit so they effectively washed their hands of it the moment it went live anyway. They overplayed their hands during that controversy. I mean one of the lead higher-ups of the company literally told people that if they didn't like it they shouldn't buy the game. Then when they didn't the devs got shitty and blamed the players for low sales.

Whole thing was a shit show from start to finish. Which is a shame, as it was once quite a fun series. And that doesn't mean that I'm looking through rose-tinted Nostalgia glasses. I mean literally they just supported each game less as time went on and assumed people would continue to take it forever.

I hope they turn it around one day but they've become like all the other once greats like Blizzard and shit who are now not the same people. Same company name but entirely new people with none of the passion.

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it's a shame too much bf5 had some of the smoothest gun mechanics and controls i had ever seen in an fps game.

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What is even worse is a lot of players are paranoid and call me cheater. And I know I'm not cheating because I see my screen.

Why? Becuase they just look at scoreboard and even if you're in tank and you smack kids you are cheater.

There were two tools which were useful with community servers: passwords and banning.

A good troll could many times get around both. Banning used to work through CD keys, or IPs, but with F2P being so prominent, that's gone.

Passwords were better in tight communities, but if the cheater knew the password, especially in larger ones passwords weren't useful. Popular games nowadays have large lobbies + large communities. You are left with active moderation, which can fix it, but can also be trolled (change name, fool your way into a public server, troll the mods).

It would work great for smaller games, but a F2P massive game like Warzone? Fortnite? Doubtful.

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yea and for that, they literally lose BILLIONS of dollars. that's how stupid they are. they let themselves lose billions. pubg lost their critical number of players and now they can barely sustain games. all because they wont reign in the hacker problem.

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I play Rust regularly. In Rust, the idea of cheating is far more harmful than any other game on the market. Someone cheating in Halo/BF/CoD/Whatever? You lose like 10-40 minutes of your time, tops.

Someone cheating in Rust? You can lose a base you spent literally 30-40 hours building, gearsets that take an hour to get, etc.

I dont play anymore just because it seems like I only ever get killed by blatant cheaters. Playing smart only works against actual players.

I'd really like to see that video. You've got me questioning everything already and I haven't even watched it

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Stats show that there's at least one cheater in 10% of CSGO games too, and that's at any skill bracket.

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That's why I like singleplayer/coop games. Cheating can only ruin your own experience and if it does, you only have yourself to blame

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u/EquipLordBritish avatar

They don't want community groups because then people wouldn't jump on the next game as quickly every year.

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Sounds about right. However, in my case at least, the problems that come from not having strong community groups is that this is the least excited I've been about a Battlefield launch ever.

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I definitely agree. I kinda stopped following battlefield after 4. BF1 didn't look interesting to me, nor did V. Ironically, it's actually driven me to CoD, but despite black ops being on sale, it was still not really worth it. (constant crashes, poor design, etc.)

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I went back to COD for MW after leaving the multiplayer side of the series after COD4. I would rent or borrow them for the single players.

I really enjoyed the new MW for its mechanics, but the hacking was so blatant. The SBMM system also meant you constantly had to be trying hard or you'd get stomped, it sucked out the fun of trying to having a more laid back game

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What? Battlefield has community servers still, atleast on pc

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BF1 and 5 have them now, but they are heavily gimped compared to what they used to be. They also came later in the games' lifecycles, like a year later in BFV's case IIRC. For BFV, unless they changed it, they also were not persistent servers and things like kicks/bans only lasted for the session, so the moderation was severely lacking.

Rumors are that BF6 will include some type of skill based matchmaking too, which means they likely won't have community servers if it's true

You are right, cheaters can't be banned permanently, confirmed with admin of servers I play regularly on

I've spent over $1200 easily on Battlefield since 2010. Mostly through rent-a-servers, but I have bought and preordered every game since then. If they do this, I will not buy the game. Even knowing BFV would be less-than-stellar to me going in, I still bought it. But SBMM in Battlefield and then taking away manual matchmaking (to bypass it) and rent a servers is going too far.

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Well people are crying on daily bases over lack of balance in BFV. So guess what it's happening. They'll do it.

They'll keep server browser, but they'll make it more difficult to get in NOOB lobbies.

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If they implement SBMM in BF6 its gonna suck a LOT.

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The ones in bfv are a lot different though

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no. the reason they do it is to control skins. that's the entire reason why these games will never be on community servers ever again.

Right ya because those player moderators aka admins always did such a great job enforcing the rules of the server and definitely not ever abusing their kick/ban powers.

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Still confused on how Activision thinks this accomplishes anything when Warzone is free to play. If someone is willing to go the lengths of obtaining the hacks they should be willing to spend 5 minutes creating a new account.

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Gaming on Linux using Proton and when virtualizing Windows can often trigger an automatic hardware ban in some games. It's pretty easy to get a new hardware ID. I don't play many games with anti-virtualization or anti-cheat software, but I have gotten banned a few times and it's not that difficult to get around for the games I did play.

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Hardware ID bans can be bypassed without the need to actually get new hardware, so it's not effective at all.

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So what do you suggest they do? Send in a kill squad?

u/TechnicalNobody avatar

CSGO got way better when they tied your account to a phone number. They could have two tiers of games like CSGO does with Prime.

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Yeah requiring two factor authentication with a phone number would be nice for all free to play games. Fortnite requires 2FA for competitive events, though they allow you to use email. Granted, people can use apps to get free numbers as well, so it's not fool proof, but it's not an all-or-nothing thing. Making life more difficult for cheaters reduces the number of people willing to cheat. A throwaway email is a lot quicker than a throwaway phone number.

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That is already enabled on WZ

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And then they decided to forget about this system and make prime free if you play until lvl 21. Nowadays VAC is also a joke that doesn't do anything to prevent a spinbot from destroying games.

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lmfao stop

much better is an exaggeration. The game is still riddled with cheaters.

I think the issue with phone numbers lies at the target demographic for these games. You don’t want to force a bunch of kids without phones into cheat-filled lobbies.

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u/dagla avatar

We are lacking laws against cheating, Bobby with his illuminati connections could pull some strings

Fuck no that's a godawful idea. Knowing congress they would make any sort of modding and texturing illegal. Best to keep the govt out of it and let games companies handle it themselves. I highly doubt they want the regulatory intrusion that such a law would bring m

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u/Words_Are_Hrad avatar

Is that an option?? I'll vote for it.

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Ping lock Chinese/Asian players to Chinese servers/Asian servers.

Require mobile phone verification for all players.

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u/Namath96 avatar

Hardware bans are just slight inconveniences

"slight" is even generous the majority of these cheats come with hw ban bypass literally built in to the cheat, so it's mostly NO inconvenience

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u/SzyjeCzapki avatar

imagine thinking hardware bans need a whole other pc or a new gpu to be bypassed

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u/stabsthedrama avatar

Is there not 2fa? I thought 2fa was required if you didn’t own mw? How would people get around 2fa? Apps or telegram or some shit? I dont know what the cool kids do these days, but I always saw 2fa as the best modern anti cheat, since you would presumably need to keep using different cell phone plans.

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They must be doing something right if they've only had to ban half a mil accounts. PUBG has been around double the amount of time but has had to ban nearly 20 Million or more accounts. (It was about 2 years ago when they announced 15 million bans)

Cheating in warzone is absolutely rampant. 500,000 seems like a large number but it’s nowhere near enough.

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This would've been impressive if this game wasn't free to play. I guarantee at least half of them just made a new account

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Doesn't even sound impressive to me. Plenty of games ban numbers of players similar to this, and they don't have the popularity of Call of Duty attached.

Their anticheat is awful.

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u/Behacad avatar

Stupid question, but what would happen if the game cost 5$? I feel like a lot of cheaters wouldn't make new accounts repeatedly if they had to spend money.

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I've put like 600 hours into this game, I'd gladly pay 50 dollars to have a premium account that favors ranking with other premium accounts. Also make it so you have to at least get to prestige rank before your account is premium. Every obvious cheater I've seen in the last month is lower than rank 55.

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The rank is a dead giveaway when I get beamed in .3 seconds from 100 meters away. Riiiight a level 23 did that, totally not cheating!

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Not sure if they solved for this but there were plenty of posts a season or two ago about cheats that gave people high ranks and unlocked a bunch of the grind skins. Not just locally, like other people could see them.

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I think that’s a pretty good idea

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The cheaters PAY money to purchase cheat subscriptions. What's another $5 on top of what they already pay for the cheats?!

I think if they did that you would probably end up with the hackers setting up an automated account creators that purchase the game with stolen credit card info.

So Activison would be on the hook for the back charge fee. Epic had released info from their lawsuit about when the division 2 came out there was a bug where banning the Epic account did not deny the Ubisoft account the game license. So the game had like a 98% fraud rate through epic because of people trying to resell the game.

This is the world we are living in. Hackers. Rampant credit card fraud. Multiple spam calls a day. For my entertainment I am just getting more and more frustrated and I just rather play a single player game.

I mean if you are stealing a CC to pay for a $50 game you aren’t selling the game for $50 then. If you are buying a game that costs more then what it is worth you surely won’t be buying your typical cheap hacks that go along with it.

So we are talking about a $300+ purchase for an account that will most likely be used to just get some people raging.

I get hacks are prevalent but at that price you are drastically reducing the amount of cheaters that are willing to take that kind of chance.

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What’s $5?

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To a lot of people it’s enough to be a deterrent I think, especially if cheaters are more likely to come from relatively poorer countries.

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How could they fix it?

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Looking at the amount of cheaters I've encountered in the games I've played I'd say the best way to fix something like this is to take a similar approach as Riot did with Vanguard.

But there are plenty other issues with Vanguard

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Surely they realize how much money they're losing by not fixing this issue?

They know that better than you. They've made their calculations and decided it's worth it. Cheaters tend to be whales. If one cheater spends more than 20 free to play scrubs, then so be it.

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Watch Timthetatman and his group sometime. Every single game is cheaters. Granted some of them are guaranteed to be stream snipers, but I dont know how anyone could play that game professionally. I would lose it.

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Pretty easy when you make 100k a month playing video games.

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Seems worse than ever to me...I usually give players the benefit of the doubt, they might have a live mark on me, or UAV up etc fine...but honestly so many people just obviously tracking through walls or hipfiring with kar98k...not to mention good ol exploits like stim glitches, invisbility glitches, running around under the map or inside walls, add all that on top of the generally sweaty lobbies I usually get and it's just tough to have fun. It was amazing back in the day, so many good memories and whole weekends spent playing with my mates, such good timing as it released with the pandemic/lockdown...seemed everyone I knew young and old were playing Warzone. Now it's time to get back to reality I guess. Really feel like Activision could have done a lot more with the game over the past year. I have a feeling it will be completely abandoned by Activision with the release of the new COD later this year. They'll just port all the store bought items/skins to a new BR.

Haha I like the optimism that in the scenario where they abandon the game they would still take the time to port bought items over rather than just sell them again but with a slightly different color or something

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Since the map rework there are so many spots where you can glitch under the map or into walls where you can see and shoot out of but not into.

They'll just port all the store bought items/skins to a new BR.

You don't know Activision very well.

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I figured people would kick up a fuss if they can’t use their 24 dollar reactive anime camos

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They will make a fuss right before repurchasing the Reactive Anime Camo Classic Edition for $25 in Warzone 2.

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I highly doubt a "new" Warzone will come until Modern Warfare 2 or until they can pull away from the last gen consoles. This year's COD is apparently in shambles, worse than Cold War's development, so I wouldn't count on them making it the foundation of Warzone 2.0

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Some top players like Aculite and StoneMountain64 have video of how blatant some of this cheating is. No scope shots through walls and across the maps, autotargeters, and the like.

500,000 cheating accounts seems about right.

This is why I love playing brand new games. A lot of the cheating software and hardware has not come out yet, and usually for at least the first three months or so of a new game you can play and win based solely on merit. That, and discovering what the OP weapons are.

500k is just a tiny tiny fraction. Probably just those terrible free cheats

500,000 is a pathetic number considering it’s a free game and how big the player base is, people shouldn’t be commending them for this they should be laughed at for doing a pitiful job

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This is why I love playing brand new games. A lot of the cheating software and hardware has not come out yet, and usually for at least the first three months or so of a new game you can play and win based solely on merit. That, and discovering what the OP weapons are.

Black ops cold war has had an aimbot since the Alpha and Beta testing version. But all of that has surprisingly been blocked / banned.

I think warzone has so many hackers is because it's quite simply a free to play game.

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u/AldoFaldo avatar

Apparently all my friends were cheaters...where’s my friends list?

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There's so many people in this thread that think developers have a straight-up "ban all cheaters" button they just don't feel like pressing.

Maybe the reason why many AAA studios have had games succumb to cheating is not because they don't give a crap, but because moderating games with millions of players is hard as fuck, and you require either absurd amounts of paid human moderators that drain crap tons of money, are biased and may not be consistent, or an automated system that might have many false-positives or false negatives.

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Except as another commenter said, it was proven in bf3 somewhere around 10% of public lobbies were cheating and bf3 was like 95% public. Private admins only catch the aimbotters not the subtle aim assist or wall hackers.

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Especially meaningless when your game has 100 million players or what ever. Am I supposed to believe there's only 500k cheaters or are there still a million more cheaters that aren't banned?

Easily the latter

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Call of duty likely banned 500k accounts and 200k players. These guys just make another free account and go on there way

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Just wait until they made a new account. The only solution to fix this is a permanent ip ban. So you can be sure the cheater won't be able to make a new acc or buy a new pc or call of duty from his ip again. That's the only way, otherwise they will never fix this. So he have to move or change his provider or router, which is much more difficult to do than just making a fake email and a new account.

If you have 30 million players and one million of those are cheaters, you can win the other 29 million as good paying customers which will buy a good product again. For me it was the first CoD, but it will be my last, because i don't play it no more because of all the cheaters.

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And also let a hacker steal my account in October, but hasn't done a single thing to help get it back. They must have realised it was a problem as they installed a 2FA option. Support say they "can't give an estimate" on how long it'll take to get it back. Even with a clear date and my email evidence of it happening. They couldn't give a fuck.

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I got banned for no reason honestly in this game. Never used any hack or was toxic and didn't get any opportunity to appeal my ban.

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Dude seriously, cheating is just out of fucking whack man. People have no morals anymore, at least certain groups of people. That is a LOT of people albeit some reoffenders. It's just insane to me.

And this isn't even the start of it. These people just make new accounts in minutes and up again. People are shitty a lot of the time when it comes to gaming.

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I jumped into my first match in months hoping to get back into Warzone again. I died and saw my teammate across the map had glitched through the ground and was walking around under the map. I assume he won, but I wasn’t going to sit around watching that garbage.

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Indeed. I have given up on the BR genre for a lot of it. Warzone takes way too long, solos are camp heavy, and Apex is just all over the place with shit servers and cheats too. I do like the games, but they kind of suck as a solo queue guy these days.

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Dude seriously, cheating is just out of fucking whack man

It's the single objectively valid reason for playing on consoles rather than PC.

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It really is. I switched a while ago, and here I am still going up against fuckers using Cronus Zen and shit lol.

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Cronus scripts and modded controllers that cant be detected at all is any better?

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I don't believe that's nearly as prevalent as the cheating on PC. If it requires hardware, it can't be more than 1% of total cheater numbers on PC. At which point I'll happily take it.

You realize it’s not cheap to cheat on PC either

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u/deadscreensky avatar

I'd actually argue yes, that's a lot better. The worst sort of games cheating IMO is the really subtle wallhacking stuff, where you can't hide from your opponent and they know everything you're doing. To my understanding nobody can do that on consoles yet.

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u/NKGra avatar

Still plenty of cheating on console.

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It isn't nearly as rampant. You can't just download a cheat script and have a go at it. If you want to spend the money on a strike pack, which is more expensive than downloading a cheat on PC, that's on you. But the draw for cheating on PC is how significantly cheap and accessible it is.

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Cheating on consoles is verrrry uncommon these days. Conversely it was very very common in the 360/PS3 days because IIRC those consoles had their security broken while they were current.

The PS4 also had its security broken but the exploits were quickly patched out iirc and the games require the latest update to play online.

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Flying through the map headshoting everybody might not be common but there's a surprising amount of people with suspiciously no recoil.

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Tbh, that's just the guns with proper mods. Lol. Krig 6 has fucking NO recoil with the meta build.

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u/Rs90 avatar

C'mon man. There's plenty of reasons to game on console rather than PC other than cheating lol. God the PC gaming shit drives me nuts.

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For sure, and everyone's reasons differ, so it's entirely subjective. That why I said the single objectively valid reason.

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There's no way cheating is the sole objective reason. Consoles are objectively less costly and fiddly to set up and maintain.

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For some people cost means little because consoles have limited performance and they can't do anything else other than multimedia.

It's subjective.

I disagree about maintenance. Blowing out a PC or swapping thermal paste is a few minutes of work. Consoles, on the other hand, are not designed to be opened or tampered with by end users.

See? It's subjective. I don't want to turn this into a debate because there is none to be had - it's subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. But one thing we can universally agree on is that cheating is basically non existent on consoles compared to PC

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u/Words_Are_Hrad avatar

People have no morals anymore

Ah yes better were the days when we all went around pillaging and raping each others societies... Back when we all had morals! Lmao what rose colored glasses you lookin at the world through? People have ALWAYS been shit. I would say people have higher moral standards now than ever before.

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So by making a popular game not free, you eliminate tons of hackers because they don’t wanna pay for a game on a new account just to cheat over and over again.

Weren't a lot of those also legitimate accounts that were unintentionally banned?

https://www.essentiallysports.com/esports-news-call-of-duty-warzones-perma-bans-again-prove-problematic-legit-accounts-banned-for-no-reason/

They had one job and they failed even at that.

I'm in this boat, banned for no reason and with no explanation, appeal immediately denied. I'm a below average player whose stats never spiked at all, no unauthorised access on my account. I can only assume I was banned for trying to measure my FPS with FRAPS, which is a well known benchmarking tool that has zero capacity to help anyone in any game.

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You mean they forced 500k cheaters to make another account and actually haven't fixed a god damn thing.

Have they fixed the servers yet tho? Cant play this game without basically teleporting left right and centre every 5 seconds only game I have that lags as well, ican modern warfare no problem but when it comes to warzone it's a complete shit show

I just started playing about a week ago and thought to myself this game seemed to be filled to brim with hackers, no surprise.

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Hahahaha and gained 1.000.000 in the same time. This kind of information is bad! Dont believe the propaganda!

Haven't they braged about 100 million players just recently? That's literally nothing. It's crazy to me how you can fuck up a litteral money printer that bad

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Does everyone realize this was only a 30k ban wave the other day? But the grand total is around 500k. The anti-cheat in this game is a joke.

Is there even any real purpose to banning people in a free to play game? There's no barrier to entry. They can just make another account in seconds right?

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While EA just banned by pal from Apex. He playes only like few games a week with me, and just out of the blue he got an email that his account is banned from apex... If he is a cheater, he is the worst playing cheater I have ever met 😁.

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I'm skeptical of these numbers every time they show up here because of their history of banning innocent players and their lack of an appeal process. It's honestly surprising that one of the biggest franchises in video games has the worst anti-cheat AND support system in the industry.

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Well first off, Me, I was banned and then silently unbanned alongside a number of players last year around this time. Also recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/CODZombies/comments/mseq7u/round_65_sail_nuclear_630_bug_bug_update/

and one would probably argue it was treyarch, but keep in mind all of these games are run under the same Activision anti-cheat system that all under go the same "review process" with no means of appeal.

edit: I should note it's in the activision playbook to never admit fault on faulty bans, which is why they link I posted is especially rare. Usually it's done without any notice so as not to tarnish their brand.

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Just a few months back whenever cheating was mentioned, half this sub was in denial, now everyone's got the 411, it sucks worse the most of "cheaters" were probably banned due to flash reports... I know because I ate the bullet thanks to some of you noobs!

They should fix their report system, so that it could at least include a clip of the interaction between the suspect and the victim, rather than taking it into their good faith simply by the volume if report.

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Doesn’t really matter anymore we are 5/6 months away from a new game,and battlefield. Modern Warfare multiplayer is a shell of it’s self since Cold War came out. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to play battle Royale. And what they’ve done to MW multiplayer is horrendous.

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Agreed. Their biggest mistake was releasing CW after just one year and shoving it into MW when they noticed that people liked MW better. MW was such a beloved game that brought many people (including myself) back to CoD after having stayed away from the franchise for many years. They had the potential to gain some points in the community but they trampled on those people in their infinite greed. I'll not buy CW and I hope Battlefield will bring out Bad Company 3 so that I can play that when MW eventually dies.

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