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There's an uptick in Amazon employees quitting right now, blaming a strict RTO mandate, layoffs, and 'lack of respect'
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To put our own apathy in perspective… the grass isn’t always greener!
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Amazon has always been known as a terrible place to work.
AWS Argentina is a great place to work tho. Same goes for AWS Spain.
So… isn’t this dependent on your level and experience?
I know that their warehouse staff have it really rough (peeing in bottles and crap like that), but… do they compensate their software people well? Anybody know?
They pay VERY well, but you will also be doing lots of work with very strict deadlines. They LOVE placing people on PIPs too so you have to always stay on top of your game.
Yup it’s a pip factory, very high pressure and they hire to fire(*). Spend some time cruising Amazon posts on blind.com and you’ll see.
(*) manager has a quota of people to fire, doesn’t want to lose any current staff, so hires people intending to fire them, to protect his current staff
Amazon is good with data, so surely they understand that at some point they will run out of people to hire and fire.
I hope you’re joking - they’re part of FAANG
https://www.levels.fyi/companies/amazon/salaries/software-engineer
Thanks for the pay data… but I’m not sure what you mean by joking… are you saying it’s obvious they pay well? Or it’s obvious they don’t pay well?
Those pay data look about on par, to me.
I guess I was under the impression that most SW engineers were aware of FAANG pay scales.
On par with…IBM? what do you mean? IBM comp is nowhere near them.
Have you worked there or are just talking shit? It’s a great place to work
Telling from your own experience? Based on the feedback I got from people working for them in central europe this isn't a far fetch.
Grass isn’t greener for sure I can agree but that just means the horrid behavior of ibm leadership is becoming normalized. At this rate I think tech workers need to unionize otherwise we will keep being terrorized by leadership and their drones
I think that’s backwards— I think Amazon et al. Did it FIRST and our leadership at IBM followed suit (as per usual)
How would we unionize? It almost feels too late
Late doesn't exist.
It's that people like their overvalued comp packages.
Go join a smaller private company. This is just the nature of the beast at big banner technology orgs.
In my state, it’s at-will employment, which means they don’t need cause to fire you. IBM prefers to lay you off rather than firing… but I think forming a union is typically a good cause to fire someone.
Also… lets not all pretend that unions always have your best interests at heart. Do some reading about unions before you start suggesting that.
It's nationally illegal to fire someone for forming a union. As soon as employees even start organizing, they suddenly get extra legal protections
Right, but… that’s not always how it plays out. Seriously… go read about this.
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Came here from FAANG, same shit different logo. If you expect big tech to have your best interests at heart, you're naive.
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These claims are all over big tech internal channels even at FAANG, everyone thinks they're having the short end of the stick vs other companies, I've seen it here, there and amongst friends at other companies.
thats probably one of the goals.
Yeah I feel mandates working now
RTH != RTO, return the hub is similar to IBM collocation mandate in 2017
They follow the management school of thought to enslave or be enslaved
I still cannot believe Amazon drivers put up with the BS of no breaks, and inhumane delivery conditions. I am glad the lawsuits are mounting. Heck yes to the drivers:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/05/24/delivery-drivers-sue-amazon-for-being-forced-to-pee-in-bottles/amp/
https://www.denverpost.com/2023/05/26/amazon-delivery-drivers-lawsuit-urinate-defecate/amp/
https://theintercept.com/2021/03/25/amazon-drivers-pee-bottles-union/
They have cameras in the vans watching their drivers...
https://fortune.com/2023/02/27/amazon-delivery-driver-breaks-down-ai-surveillance-in-vans/
https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/18/23798611/amazon-van-driver-surveillance-camera-footage-leak-reddit
Of course they knew...
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IBM is a shit show. Get out now.
The post is about Amazon.
I think the unhappy Amazon workers are those in warehousing, fulfillment, and delivery, not AWS and their other subs.
I know three very well regarded technical people who left IBM for Amazon, and all three of them hate it. They all say that the significantly higher pay is the only thing keeping them there for the moment. I am frequently asked to let them know if anything they might be qualified for shows up in the jobs portal thingy. One guy that worked in GTS ITD frequently compares AWS to that job, and that should really scare people.
Wrong
OK, so enlighten me.
Find out what it means to me
IMO a lot of the issues stem from the fact that Amazon’s management is heavily compromised of folks with business degrees, and no real experience in doing the things they oversee. It creates a toxic environment of entitled managers who graduated from Ivies and think that’s somehow a qualification. That crowd also believes that “leadership” is a title rather than something one does, and that goes for Jeff’s space company as well.
Amazon is an absolute dog 💩 company to work at